Episode 29: "ADVANCED SEO MASTERCLASS" feat. Ezra Miller *FULL EP ON PATREON*

You're listening to the free version of Clout Farm. For the full episode, sub the Patreon geezer. Ezra Miller. Wagwan. You're good at maths. Thanks. Are you more of a addition head or a subtractoloid? For a certain period, I was like doing this thing called the artist way. Just like wearing a beret. I just was like rocking some J.Crew. Kind of eyeing the babes does. You can't, not everyone can have the sauce, man. Speak English, egghead. Picture the scene, if you will, Ezra Miller. It's dusk in hackney marshes. The air is thick, the ground encrusted with something once alive, with tadpole-esque promise. A familiar gooey, sickly sweet scent wafts its way into you, triggering a pang of excitement. You forge forward with renewed vigor, your engorged flesh member leading the way, pulsating like some kind of a metal detector made of flesh member. Boner alert, you think to yourself, right? You think to yourself, Riley, the moment is nearby. You part one more patch of shrubbery, so tantalized you can scarily titter zestily, and then a silhouette, a guile-y silhouette. The familiar shape of a metal detector flesh member cuts through the moonlight. Boner alert, you think once more. Boner alert. Boner alert. What word would you use to describe this scenario? Uh, bumming.

Come on, bro. Come on. Do you know that's not what I'm getting? Wait. That was a bit on the nose. Was that right? You're in the right territory for sure. Yeah. Dude, we've been over this. I thought this would have been top of mind. Really? Fuck. Nah. I got confused by the whole boner alert thing. That is a bit misleading. Yeah. It's called dogging. Dogging. Oh, yeah. Dogging. Bumming is better, though. It's much more direct. Bumming is quite English as well, I think. It is. Well, that's what we were talking about in Hackney Marches the other day. I had no part in this conversation. That was a sub-conversation. Does dogging have to be at the bum? No, I think it's just like a catch-all. But I think people think dogging is at the bum because of doggy style. Right. My question is, what is cottaging? Cottaging? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's the old version of it. i guess so what was your uh what was your interpretation of this of this um newfound dogging premise what were you told well well we were in the park and you said it was a good spot there was a good spot nearby i said it was a good spot uh or maybe it was tim yeah yeah well he is married so yeah that definitely tracks did i tell you my kind of like dogging-esque related encounter no this is like And I'm aware this is the Ezra Miller episode, so. No, but let's, you know, let's keep going. All right. So this is. It's your show, guys. So years ago, I was with the, we'll call her girlfriend, Hex. And we went to a place near the Hague in the Netherlands, this beachy area called Scheveningen. And we kind of like went up to the dunes and started getting like a little bit frisky, so to speak. We were in various states of undress. Kind of kissing each other mutually. Nuzzling. Mutual kissing. Mutual kissing. That's important. Nuzzling and kind of like moaning lightly. And then at a certain point, girlfriend X looks to me and says in kind of like a light panic, Majestic casual, stop. Stop. There's someone headed her way. There's someone coming. I'm like, what? I don't think too much of it. But then she says it again with slightly more urgency in her voice. Don't turn around.

And there's this dude heading to us, butt-ass naked, jacking off, wearing only shoes and a big-ass, like, backpack. And he just keeps forging for it. Like what you're wearing right now. Like what I'm wearing right now. The backpack is important. The backpack is important. Yeah, because where else are you going to put your clothes? That's the mark of a freak. Yeah. And he stops maybe, like, two or three meters beyond us. And both of us are kind of, like, frozen, like, just completely having no idea what to do. And he says in Dutch, which translates to, only watching just watching just watching and we kind of like snap into action without saying or we just kind of like you know throw on and throw on as much clothing we kind of just like bust out of there and um suffice to say i did not so you weren't trying to to please this voyeur i well in in some ways i think that he did uh it pleased him already so these people get off on fear and you know i saw i saw an exhibitionist guy once by my studio actually There's like these train tracks right by my studio. And yeah, one day I was walking across the bridge that goes over them. And then I just looked over and there was just in between two train cars, like just a fully nude man. And I actually think he also had a backpack on and just shoes. So it's kind of the same type of fit. Dude, that was the guy. Yeah, it could have been the same guy. Did he have kind of like a Dutch vibe? Yeah, from what I could tell. Some might say a Dutch vibe. We talking flaccid? But I actually saw him twice. So it's kind of burned in my mind every time I walk over that bridge. I kind of look, you know, just to check and see if he might still be there, but haven't seen him again for like a year. Do you feel like he lost that encounter? Do you feel like he won? Well, what happened was we looked at each other, actually, and then he got kind of scared and like turned around. To show you his ass instead of his penis? Yeah, to show me his ass. So I don't know if anyone really won. I think it was like a kind of a lose situation. A negative stalemate. Oh, the way to come out ahead is to track him down and do the same thing to him. Yeah, yeah. Just hang out around the studio. Dutch flaccid dogging guy, if you're listening, you have our respects. But vengeance is coming.

When you came up with that cold open, where did you think we would go? What? Where did you think we'd go? Yeah. It just seemed like, I was like, okay, we can probably link that to Bershka. Bershka, yeah. I don't know if they'd be happy about that being part of the segue. It's okay. We don't have to make it a segue. Is that this week's sponsor? Bershka. Definitely this week's sponsor. Well, I was saying when you mentioned that you were working with them, I don't know if we can like, can we talk about this? I think we can talk about it. Yeah, I'm not, I mean, it's not confidential. It's not confidential? No, I mean, I can't really, maybe you can't go into too much detail, but I worked for Bershka on a job. That's why I'm in Europe to begin with. It just seems like kind of a funny Ezra Miller brand collab. Yeah, I mean, it is random. Do they make bags? Do they make what? Bags? They're like a fast fashion brand. It's like a Zara. brand type company okay but but i did i did a piece for a store here in london and then a piece in barcelona and i mean they just they hired me so i was like i'm down how much did they pay you yeah all right as it was saying slurs instead of answering the question but now um No, but it was a good experience. They're a good client. I really like them as a client. No, seriously, they're actually really chill. I mean, what's it, I feel like, so I've worked with a few like hyper, hyper commercial kind of agency type campaign scenarios. And I feel like the way that often goes out where they like find external people or whatever. Is that like some creative director or someone in collaboration or whatever, like a producer or like a budget person gets, they splay out a couple of like portfolios. Yeah. And a lot of them will only have like a very like minimal, like sub working knowledge of the people that they're working with. Yeah. Like how invested are they? How well do they know you? Well, so my agency, I have an agent that represents me commercially and they've worked with my agent before. Excuse me. Don't worry.

I mean, I think my agent, you know, pitched me to them and it was a good fit because I've done stuff for retail stores in the past, namely like this Balenciaga store. And I think that was sort of in the same, you know, world aesthetically that they were trying to go down. So it was a good fit. Yeah, it wasn't like the Bershka people reached out to me directly. I don't know if that would have happened naturally, but maybe. I don't know. I get hit up sometimes by random brands like that. What's the most unexpected, incongruous one? Well... It's got to be Papa John's, right? Is that real? From a brand. I feel like Bershka is kind of weird. No, but it's not that unexpected for me because I worked in the fashion industry a bunch. But what, were you doing a real-time generative thing? It's a real-time generative piece in the store. I actually walked over there today and I saw it for the first time after the store had been completed because I was here two weeks ago working on it. yeah it was a whole different vibe because when i was installing it was like full-on construction site vibe inside and today i went in there just to like take some videos and look at it and you know it was just like all the clothes were there all the customers were there and yeah i'm just like just like walking around with my iphone filming it like not looking at any of the clothes just like filming the screens kind of like do the people who work in the shop know that you're the guy that did it i had the thought i was like yeah i should go up to the to the cashier right now and be like that's my piece i made that or or i was i was thinking about the security guard being like what are you doing and i'm like oh yeah i'm the artist and he's like you have to leave you gotta get out of here man um

I don't know what the weirdest brand that's ever hit me up. I got hit up by a motorcycle jewelry company to send me free product. That was kind of out of left field. Jewelry to put on your motorbike? No, it's kind of like Chrome Hearts looking type. Badass guy aesthetic. But I emailed them back. I emailed them back. I was like, are you sure this is the right Ezra Miller? I was like, why would you give me free stuff? They're like, no, yeah, we're sure. Like, do you want anything? But I actually just forgot to... Okay. I don't know if that's... I'm trying to think like a weird brand. What's your like dream non sequitur brand? Maybe like... Like a cool, like I think it would be cool to do either a logistics company or like a hardware tool brand or something. You and Devolt. Yeah. Or like Hilti or that's like, I think that's a construction company, but I really like their branding. But yeah, Ryobi would be sick. Something in that world. You've lost me now, but yes. Yeah. Maybe it's a, maybe, I don't know if they have that in the UK, but. RYOBI. RYOBI. They're like tools. They're like all green. It's a sick color. Oh yeah, no, I do know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got the best color. That's Power Tool. But. I don't know, man. I don't understand how anyone turns down, like, free swag ever. Like, regardless. Even if it's the most, like, worthless, like, miscellany. Yeah. If that happens to me, I'll just completely undiscerningly say yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, it's why we all took all the free Nina swag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that fucking... I willingly took that garbage and... That's my dream brand collab. Yeah. Nina. Yeah. What about... I don't know if you, like, want to talk about this, but, like, brands you said no to. Well...

No, I mean, I'm trying to think like how often do I say no to a brand? God, I probably have so many emails, but it's not usually brands. It's usually like random like club music producers that email me or something. Yeah. Or I don't even know. God, I'm bad at this, but. Is there any club music producer that emails you incessantly that you ignore? Not that I want to talk about on the podcast. Dude, one of these people for sure is a friend of ours. There was one, but he stopped hitting me up. What does it rhyme with? It's Rish. No, it wasn't Rish. It wasn't Rish. No, I'm good with being honest with people and just being like, hey, sorry, I don't think I have time for this. I don't respect you as a person. Is that really honest? Because you also want to be in there and I think your music sucks. 95% of the time, yeah. Okay. Usually I just like have something else that is going to pay you better. More important, yeah. Were you brutally honest with the man known as Nathan and the Jetty when he pulled up at Korska and the Babe T? Brutally honest about how much I think he's cool and a nice guy. You don't have to qualify, bro. No, but you were being brutally honest with his friend. I don't know if we should talk about what happened. Was that true? About you calling her... No, I know you didn't call her a bitch, but about her reacting... Her reacting badly to being called a bitch lightheartedly. Dude, this shit cracked me up so much. Sir isn't dying. I was fucking dying. So basically, Nathan's ex randomly called him while we were at the pub before we went to Corsica on Friday. And he was like, oh, my ex is calling. Say hi. And I don't know what possessed me. I guess I was just kind of like excitable. I just like pulled up. I've seen every woman. And I was like...

what's up bitch she did not like so yeah she was not and she hung up immediately and then and then nathan was like upset he was visibly upset He was good, man. He was fine. That's so Nathan to accept FaceTime for his ex in the pub. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was like, only he would do that in the first place. When I asked, I was like, why are you FaceTiming your ex right now? He's like, she's my friend. Sorry, man. He brought that shit on himself. He should have known what he was doing. That was entirely self-inflicted. It really was. That man, he's got such a big smile. Nathan is... um everything to me he's he's he's a good man he's truly a delight yeah you should have seen his i mean actually as if you don't know him like you know exactly what his energy like but the first time you guys met him uh at the mexican spot or was it a cuban spot or something he just love it dude he's colombian what was it like pollos pollos something uh yeah in queens i was i was gonna say the world from breaking that he came in like a like a rizzy whirlwind and it was truly a delight it was a rizzy whirlwind that's so true a rizzy whirlwind yeah that was nathan man he was just spitting riz like was in what in what way like orally mainly orally yeah using sequences really because he kind of he kind of well kind of be the first person to tell you that he has no riz that's not true that's just part of his that's that's the that's a classic like person riz have a thing to say though that's part of his like he's self-deprecating yeah in a way that is so extreme like relentless and brutal yeah his self-deprecation is being like i'm such a fucking piece of shit just kill myself yeah i mean That's Riz to me. That's Riz. That is a type of Riz, right? Reverse negging. You do it to yourself. You're listening to the free version of Clout Farm for the full episode sub the Patreon geezer. All we do is stop until we drop right there in the phone. All we do is stop until we drop right there in the phone. All we do is stop until we drop right there in the phone. All we do is stop until we drop right there in the phone. All we do is stop until we drop right there in the phone. All we do is stop until we drop right there in the phone. All we do is stop until we drop right there in the phone.

Do you think you have understated Riz? I think you're going to have understated Riz. Yeah, I have mad understated Riz. See, I was just reverse nagging. You are. You're kind of blushing a little bit. I don't think I have that much Riz, actually. I think I don't have much Riz, to be honest. That's a great question. You kind of got the kissable lips, though. If you think so, then... You talk about lips every episode, man. I mean, I do have nice lips, I guess. Do you want to go off on that for a second? Kiss? I mean, yeah. Yeah, okay. We kissed. If you're watching, if you're not looking at the audio, we kissed. I'm not wiping the lips. Did you hear about I kissed Nathan when he pulled up to NTS and he was shook? That happens all the time. Nathan is frequently kissed. No, but I just, it just felt right. And then I just full on kissed him on the lips. And then he was like, he was so caught off guard. All the like, the like riz whirlwind came to a stop. Well, do you know about Ian too? Cause like when Ian and I first met, I barely knew him. And I think the first day we met, he full on kissed me on the lips. Yeah. And then it became a thing where every time I would see him, we would do like a homie kiss. So he would kiss me on the list. And I really didn't know him that well. So I was just like, this guy is a really weird person. This guy is sexy. I couldn't quite pin him down. But after knowing him for like five years, it makes total sense. It was retroactively consensual. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was always consensual. But it became even more consensual. In a gray area. I hadn't had a friend like that. Even more consensual. That's funny. It's funny if people came out being like, no, I actually like the anti-cancelling. I enjoy this way more. I mean, probably. That's true, actually. I mean, I think Nathan and Ian are two of the lips I've swapped fluids with probably most. Like top five easily. I think the swap fluid implies like a whole other dimension of... Dude, you don't know what Nathan...

Well, I mean, maybe you do. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I kind of do. I think it slips the tongue. Dude, well, he's just in the sexual gutters. There's all manner of fluids. Oh, right. I think he is the person who's touched my ass the most in my life. Yeah. Seriously, the man is such an ass slapper. It's unreal. Your footy coach? Yeah. Your footy coach. More so than my footy coach, I'd say. Okay. I played for a Christian football team, so. Okay. It was above board. Yikes. Very much. Follow Mystic Tears on Instagram and listen to Jetty. Music coming out on All Center soon. Shout out to Mystic Tears, Jetty. Nothing wrong with that. So what's the stance on Bape? On Bape? I rate Bape. I actually almost bought a Bape vintage hoodie when I was here a week or two ago. But there's something wrong with the fit. But it was cool. I don't have any Bape, but... I'm kind of eyeing the Bapestas. They're kind of like my shoes. I love the Air Force One silhouette. So the Bapestas. Oh, they're actually called Bapestas. Did you know that I just made that up? Well, we've just been appending stars to things at large. No, no, no. I totally forgot. The Bapestas are just like Air Force Ones with a star logo. Have you seen the Apple phones with a star logo? Yeah, they're same. Yeah, okay. But I don't have a pair. Simran has a pair of those. And they're actually kind of... Bro, you can get them for fake on the internet for like 50 pounds. Yeah, I'm into the real thing. We live different lives, Ezra. We live different lives. Is there like a... Because I feel like I have like a couple of go-to brands that I just... consistently consider funny like philip philip line is the one oh dude i fucking love philip i follow him on instagram same dude he's incredible he's got he posted something amazing the other day pull it all right it's um it's a fucking good hell he's straight dude he's he's extremely straight he's he's very straight all right yeah it's a it's a five pictures of him and his son in a uh lamborghini

or ferrari and um they're just selfies he's saying made it back from vienna last night at 3 30 a.m just in time to meet this little one before uh going back to work hashtag no sleep so and oh and the the music is you too beautiful day so and he's soying in four of the five yeah he's soy facing and and the kid is like in this ferrari car seat yeah so i His posts are really... Shout out to the plane. I feel like the brand and designs are so, like, extreme and over the top that it almost becomes, like, avant-garde or something. Do you have any of his clothes? No, I don't. Yeah. Should I? Do you? No, I don't have any, but, I mean, I've been thinking about it. It's a little outside my price range, but, you know, for the look. Yeah. Brian fucks with the plane, too. We've talked about this. He's so fucking funny, man. But wait, what other brands were you going to mention? Bape is a go-to. Fuck, I'm blanking right now. I'm going to throw it to you. Like funny? Yeah. Corny? Like hilarious. Hilarious brands? This is your world, man. No, but it's not that. It's not. Because the only brands I care about are like, you know. Japanese fashion brands. Uniqlo. Uniqlo. No. Wait, what's the other... Dry something? Super dry. Super dry. Oh, yeah. I mean, well, that's getting into like Bershka territory then. Yeah, yeah. It's like Pullen Bear. That's a funny brand. Yeah, no, I've been thinking it would be cool to come back from Europe with like the full... pull and bear super dry like euro guy fit is that euro guy fit yeah you know like super skinny jeans kind of like shoes that look like they they don't you know they were made by like an ai and you know like the most loud graphic t-shirt possible yeah um that just says something in a different language that doesn't make any sense say it yeah say it

you know i don't know whatever whatever you want to insert there but um uh yeah that kind of that kind of aesthetic who has the worst swag in europe not well not an individual like race like a country race race worse i don't know i don't live here well you should know i feel like you've traveled maybe the dutch people oh yeah That's kind of what I suspected. We've arrived at the regular Dutch first segment. That's what I think of when I think of the skinny jean style that I'm picturing in my head. The Dutch swag is like, I was at a wedding kind of recently. to be fair it was like a moldovan and a belgian getting married but there were tons of like dutch people there any amount of like dutch invite invitees wearing like white v-necks yeah have a ratty blazer jeans no socks and like white sneakers yeah yeah jeans that are like it's an abomination on top of like a pattern or something yeah it's not good man yeah have you seen all these tiktoks of like kids in scandinavia kind of have like birthday parties where everyone dresses up in like Like Chavko. I saw something. I didn't know if that was real or not. Is that like a, that has to be like a, there's one thing. Do you think so? You think it's not like a consistent? I mean, I'd like it to be. Was it not just at like one school or something where they all do this thing? I feel like if it's in a school, it's going to be like a trend of some sort. Could be, could be. How do you guys feel about that? I feel like people love ripping off UK swag at this point. Yeah, yeah. Like, since Drake in, like, 2018. What, like, wearing, what, like, Stone Island? Exactly, yeah. It's all, and I feel like the culture's all been fair game since then. Maybe, yeah. Yeah. But, like, Chavcore is such an, it's like an aesthetic in and of itself. It's like a... It's kind of, I guess there's one thing you could say that's a bit pretty gross. Yeah. Because it, like, the whole Chav thing is, like, in hindsight, because...

in british culture like it was like they were you were like it was like like really shitting on people who actually had like pretty horrible and continue to have horrible circumstances yeah and now it's kind of just become like part of a mood board you know yeah um so it's it's pretty shitty in one way but then also parts of it were really funny like devo stuff like that yeah it was like amazing it was like very very funny so but i think it's just funny that it's kind of like come back now as a thing when like when kind of like cloudy art people will probably like earn less money in their lives than like working lots of people who become tradies you know oh yeah i mean like it and it's funny that and to like aestheticize it yeah yeah yeah but that's the last that's the last uh that's the last i guess the og version of that is when when with like hipsters kind of dressed like mods you know what i mean or or like uh or just like these or like the lumberjack thing yeah yeah yeah it's all it's always like the like using the aesthetic yeah look that's a big thing in the states for sure exactly and real tree as well but in those areas like those those those hipsters were like earning more money than the people wearing those clothes and that's like you know all the kind of like the like little dark age montages where it's like who like buy a new build and they're like a bmw3 series yeah like much happier than kind of like downwardly mobile multi-hyphlets you know what i mean yeah yeah i don't know if they're that much happier though i think that's that's like a kind of like an idealized perspective like a kind of like yeah it's like an idealized perspective no sorry i shouldn't have said happy no that's true but I mean, like anything, any set of people, there's going to be a broad spectrum of happiness that people have. Yeah, but I feel like there's this kind of, like, overcorrection happening among people in our advanced elitist milieu who are above and observant of every possible, like, macro trend. Yeah. There's this overcorrection to not just give them credit where it's due and, like, humanize them in the way that, you know, people who are, like, making fun of chaps weren't doing Mac, but to also, like, take that extra step and being like, oh, dude, it must be blue.

Because part of it is also like, oh, dude, I wish I was a fucking like ATIQ mongoloid. Yeah. No, fuck that. So I can experience true contentment or whatever. You know what I mean? Part of it is like also patronizing. Yeah, I think it's, I don't think people are saying that they think someone who does a trade has ATIQ. I feel like that's pretty outdated. I mean, I'm embellishing, obviously, but yeah. No way. No way have you ever embellished on anything. Dude, let's... None of that. None of that. None of that embellish. All right, all right, all right. That was really insightful, man. But you know what I mean, right? There's stuff like that in the U.S. too. I did see a lot of Carhartt while I was there. I kind of... The Carhartt thing in the U.S. is crazy. It's a good brand. I don't know. I mean, I have a Carhartt jacket. It's a good brand. But I feel like in the U.S. it's more prevalent because... Like there's the work in progress and there's the workwear. Yeah, yeah. What's the difference between the two? The work in progress is like their streetwear label. Yeah. I feel like the dynamic in like major American cities is kind of flipped because like no one doing anything like creative in London really makes money. But like in New York and LA, there are people making fucking loads doing that shit. Do you think no one in London makes money creative? Not really. I feel like, I feel like. I think that's a better way to put it. No one we know. No, but I mean, even kind of. Because you're right. Even like successful DJs kind of like. No. For instance, move out of London. But you know, it's like. You think DJs in the US are making a lot of money? Huh? DJs in the US are making a lot of money? Hey, I'm just saying. Rodnick doesn't live in London, does he? Oh, sure. Yeah. He lives in Belgium. I don't know. Yeah, he lives in Kent. What's his address? Yeah, let me just text him. Can you just text Brandon Wardell to find out what David Ruddard's address is? I mean, I feel like people make money in the creative industry in London. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Especially if you're doing a lot of advertising type shit. There's a big industry there. Advertising, film, TV, for sure.

I mean, in general, there's just been a bit of a recession, to be honest, like, in all industries. Yeah. And especially creative, like, there's just not really money right now. I'm just saying I want some teal bucks. You want what, sir? Some teal bucks. Teal bucks. Yeah, that'd be nice. Well, yeah. That's a whole other... What kind of proximity do you have to that? To, like, the Peter Teal? Just that whole world. I mean... uh not very involved so you're not you're not attending you took the money and you were like well i yeah i took the money and that's why i'm in london now um i don't even think that shit is really like i don't even i don't even really know about it to be honest i'm pretty uh purposefully like unaware yeah i don't really are you do you mostly hang out with musicians despite the fact that you have a background as sorry rather you work in art yeah i think more my friends are musicians and like djs you're about to say midgets though yeah my friends are midgets i mean i would say it's like i'd say it's there's no real like distinctions at this point like so many of my friends are visual artists um but my like Best friends, a lot of them are DJs, which is, I don't know. I don't know why. It's just how it's worked out. I just love music. You're talking about Nina Kravitz and Fred again, right? Yeah. The homies. Nina, Fred, you know, the Martinez bros. The Kalkbrenners? Yeah. You name it. Yeah. There's just a lot of them in Brooklyn, so we all kind of hang out. I feel like there's just so many artists in New York that it's hard to separate the groups. There's just so much osmosis, I guess. But yeah, maybe it's less.

less visual artists do you fuck with gallery like do you go to openings and yeah yeah i do i've been i've actually been making an effort this year to like do just like go to more shows because i'm i for one thing i'm i like it and i'm interested in it and to yeah just trying to like meet new people and make connections and stuff because it's something i want to do more of and yeah you kind of have to just like schmooze a bit yeah it's also fun like i enjoy the openings just for the social element and um yeah but it's it's definitely it's not like my natural my default mode i guess because like i didn't go to art school and i'm i'm yeah i'm not i don't have like an mfa or a gallery or anything so it's it's like it's not fully my my world or my space but um just trying to would you want to be repped by a gallery yeah yeah i would i'm i'm thinking about you know what kind of work would of mine would fit you know in that context because it is very specific actually and like not a lot of the stuff that i currently make maybe make sense in that way and so yeah a lot of the going to openings and stuff and just going seeing shows this year has been like partially to get a better understanding of what kind of work gets made and shown and how. And so, yeah, my, my, my, my plan is to start, you know, having some physical works produced and like working on that stuff. Cause you know, not just like putting stuff on a screen in a gallery, but like making some physical pieces I think would be really good. So excited about that idea. boring you should um do a mural of a really good kind of a really like big guy like a rabid guy foaming at the mouth yeah and he pulls out like a gun and he puts it inside of the mouth of a very innocent looking child and the guy's called big msg yeah it was labeled big msg yeah big salt and the gun's labeled burger big salt yeah the little child is labeled

small children yeah and it and the artist yeah his name was banksy yeah dude that's the scoop yeah you fuck with banksy i fuck with banksy man um No. What about as like a kid? Is that how you got not even to like it? Not even as a kid. A lot of people I know who make visual always kind of secretly admit that that's how they kind of got into it. Really? Like a 10-year-old or something. I think I watched Exit Through the Gift. Dean Kissick says that. Really? Dude, but he's like, he would have been not 10. Dean Kissick wrote his dissertation on Banksy. Really? Yeah. That's deep lore. Yeah. I watched Exit Through the Gift Shop when I was in high school or something. That was a good movie. Yeah, this is cool, you know. Sort of a comment on commercials. This guy's a real badass punk. I mean, I don't know, I kind of respect, I think I respect him, but it's a bit insane to like... Interesting. To just, I don't know. It's weird to see. There's like... All these, like, Banksy museums now in different cities. Have you noticed this? Yeah, there's one in London. There's one in London. There's one in New York. There's one in, I think, in Amsterdam that I saw. And it was the lamest one. Yeah, of course, they had to get involved in that. To be fair, the only Banksy show I've ever been to was in Amsterdam. Why did that happen? You went to the Banksy show? Yeah, with my parents, like, I don't know, like, eight, nine years ago, which got, like, really high. and went to the... With your parents? No, obviously not. I don't know. They might be chill. People do that. No, no, I'm sure... You love your parents. They can be pretty cool. Yeah, my parents can do no wrong. But as in, I mean, if Davis met my mom, there's no way this is possible. You're listening to the free version of Cloud Farm for the full episode of the Patreon Deezer.

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