Episode 11: “MINDFUL SELF INDULGENCE” feat. Ben Bondy *FULL EPISODE ON PATREON*

They're just like whatever at the time, but like actually kind of realizing that I was like, oh fuck, like I was just like, the world is actually lols. Mindful? Quiet. It's okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. You can just clap if you want to, to like prove that you can. I'll snap. Okay, we good? Cloud Farm episode 10. Sometimes you wish that I'd just gone away, but I think now that I just have to say, and you said that something went wrong, but you're the one that let me, you let me go. Does that mean anything to you, Ben? Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Can you repeat that? Do you want to repeat it? Yeah, yeah, go off, go off. Sometimes you wish that I'd just gone away, but I think now that I just have to stay. And you said that something went wrong, but you're the one that let me. You let me go. Does that mean anything to you? oh my god yeah okay so that's um those are lyrics from a track that i made when i was fucking like 15 years old You're an angel. That photo, you're a damn angel. Did I send that? Who did I send that to? Ian, wow. Okay, yeah, this is what happens with the files, you know? Like, you think you're just sending it to someone, and then it proliferates, yeah. It's going viral on cool guy spheres of online. So, like, yeah, that's actually a track that I made with my, like, my friend when I was, like, a teenager, Alyssa, and, like...

I remember wanting to make music with her because she played this Halloween talent show at my middle school. Oh my god. Oh no, it was high school. Was it high school? Yeah, maybe my freshman year. What high school did you go to? Summit High School in New Jersey. I grew up in New Jersey. And, like, yeah, Alyssa was, like, playing this high school talent show. She fucking sang Evanescence. And she, like, slaved. Like, her voice was so good. Was it Take Me Back? It was, like, yeah, that shit. Legendary. She was just, like, she slayed that track, honestly. And, like, we had kind of been friends. Like, I thought she was cool because she had a sidekick. She always had the newest one, too. Like, one, two, and three. And I just, like, remember being like, cool, like, oh, this is kind of dope. And, like, we were both kind of on our, like, MySpace tip at the time. Like, in New Jersey, there was, like, kind of a lot of, like, scene kids, like, in your school growing up. Like, there would always be just, like, I don't know, a lot of emo kids. Like, and you would know each other maybe on MySpace and then, like, in real life, too, or something like that. And, like, i don't know like kind of at the point that i made that track like i remember i think that's like the year that i broke my leg in in school i broke my leg at a hardcore show uh um oh my god i was seeing this fucking band waking the cadaver oh oh shit they're like deathcore like pig they were like they were like a digi grind band like there was a lot of this gore grind digi grind shit going on and like i mean like i was that was my whole life in high school was like that world i can see this exact like ensemble but with gauges yes like pretty much this like it's funny because like all these pictures of me when i was a teenager it's like camo shorts and like fucking like whatever like tim's and like stupid outfits and i'm just like that's kind of like i think about this a lot but like yeah that's just when i like

was like my first time being like oh fuck like i'm obsessed with music like or whatever but like i broke my leg at this waking the cadaver show like i low-key know who it was that did it i had like well what happened yeah you got assaulted i just like someone like just straight up like did this crazy like fucking like got like rolled on the ground in a ball like seriously like this big ass dude just like rolled into a ball and did like this like yeah literally like that and like that was kind of like a slightly popular move at the time like in the mosh pit like there was like a it was a it was a it was a yeah it was a style that a lot of kids were doing but like it was a not that crowded pit like I was in the back and like yeah someone rolled into me and I like like yeah just broke my leg in that moment and like I just yeah I think like when I left that show I mean obviously for a few days I was just like whatever recovery super fucked up hospital like all that bullshit and like whatever happened to me like during this time when I was like removed from that world that I had like found myself in since I was like 12 years old or whatever that I was like oh fuck like I went super deep online like way deeper online like yeah a big part of my life at that point had been online where like my friends or people I knew at shows or just like people that were kind of like into this kind of shit or whatever but like at that point was when I was like, oh, I can discover, like, all this new shit on here. And that was the point you were like, I need to start making decaying ambient music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when I was just like, okay, like, this is when I'm like, need to make some, like, fucking, like, whatever. Like, just kind of like, I got into indie or, like, what was happening was, like, there was, like, I think at the time, honestly, my biggest inspiration was, like,

There was, like, a hardcore band, like, a straight-edge hardcore band from Toronto called Life Ruiner, and they were, like, kind of, like... Oh, gee. They're, like... They're real. They were just, like, the shit... I just, like, loved them, but, like, I was kind of friends with some of them because, like, we would just, like, play shows together when I was in... We were, like, lamb goat and shit. lamgo that like blog oh i mean i don't know i never really read stuff like that i don't know i was never like yeah like i literally still don't you know like honestly like i'm not really yeah i don't really read very much and especially at the time it was like i was kind of just finding out about shit by going to shows like because like growing up in new jersey like at the time there was like a fucking like boss in like scene like the new jersey like scene was like so flourishing it was like there was a huge emo scene there was a huge like screamo scene there was some of the band was some of the like the iconic bands honestly some of them like some of the first most iconic shit like when i was first starting there was like this band called love you made the butcher and they were like like the thing is is like there weren't a lot of touring bands that we would go see like it was always just like the local shit like because i'm just like we didn't want to go pay to like go to like a concert i didn't want to go to like starland ballroom like these venues and shit it was all just at these like vfw halls like just kind of veterans halls and shit like that and like that was like the earliest shit was that but like all ages type shit all ages like that was the beauty of it right like it's like I was, like, this kid, and, like, I was, like, okay, like, I was, like, this is something that I can go to every week, like, twice a week. Like, I was just, like, making all these friends that were, like, hella older than me, and, like, they were showing me music, and then you would just go watch these bands that were, like, whatever, like, some local shit, but, like, Love You Made The Butcher was, like, so iconic. Like, there was this band Augment that was lit as fuck, like.

there was, like, I don't know, like, all these things, but, like, some of the bigger ones were just, like, cold as life, or, like, then, like, I mean, yeah, like, then getting into more, like, hardcore shit when I was, like, getting a bit more, like, 16, 17 was always more, like, yeah, like, there was this venue, Stelton Church, that was just, like, these kids that were, like, actually kind of way more on this, like, less just, like, scene MySpace tip that were, like, kind of on this really funny, like, artsy tip like they were all like photographers they were all like listen to like heavy music yeah and they were all but they were all like okay we're gonna like they all ended up going to like whatever move to la or new york or became like photographers or like fashion people or whatever like when they grew up but like at the time it was like this really funny weird micro scene that was going on at the same time where all this like kind of ignorant really just like shit was happening like i don't know but um yeah did you have any like do you because like like scene is it's so it's so to me it's it's all it's in a way it's like kind of like bittersweet because like a lot a lot that shit had its moment and a lot of that stuff like, I still revisit, like, maybe, like, on an annual basis and I have kind of, like, sort of, like, a nostalgic attachment to, but a lot of it was fucking, like, garbage. Like, there's still, I guess, like, Camden is, like, the one kind of, like, place in London where there's still, like, the last remaining, like, vestiges of swoopy haircut guys who are, like, 36 at this point. I was about to say, how old are you now, Ben? I'm 32. I just turned 32, like, a few weeks ago. So you were, like, 15, 16, this stuff, or a little younger? I mean, I first, like, when I first started going to shows was because, like, my sister's boyfriend at the time, when I was, like, 12 years old, was, like, going to hardcore shows, and, like, he gave me the CD for this band called The Banner, which was just, like, this local band or whatever that was, like...

kind of really goth maybe a little like comic book aesthetic but like really just like a hardcore band and like from then i got into like the blood brothers and like kind of like right you know like kind of shit like that where i was like okay yeah like slay like this is like i just like all of a sudden i all of a sudden was like okay yes like and then like immediately i was like okay let's start a band like with me and my friends so it was like I don't know. It's interesting because I'm like, there's all these scene aesthetics that like I love that I appreciate that like are beautiful. You know what I mean? Like there's these things that I'm just like, I don't know. There's a lot of beauty in it, not only in the memory of it, but just in the visual and like this, like the sound that's been left behind by it. But like, it's funny because like when I started rejecting it when I was, yeah, like maybe 16 years old or something when I was like, oh, like even like the shit that was like, death metal was still to me i was like this is like scene shit you know what i mean like there was like a scene death metal crossover exactly well that's the thing new jersey was so funny because it like the span of like this like funny like kind of like really technical really talented but like really seen kids and then there was like this whole other like element in the same scene that was like these really tough gang affiliated kind of like tough guy metal dudes or whatever that were like whatever like in like fsu or like all that shit i mean even before that you know what i mean it was just like it's a bit past that point to be fair i mean that was kind of like when i think like that was starting to be okay to come back into hardcore honestly so those ones were sort of like presented as more like quote artful in a way that was like a little bit more exactly because they had like a different art like album cover or something they were like xerox art but like i don't know it's kind of funny because like yeah i just remember like all of a sudden discovering like this whole other scene in new jersey like in this town called edison and like central jersey was so funny because it was just like oh yeah there's like this artsy or bullshit going on where it's like you'll see some random kid like jumping off the speakers with like a fucking like umbrella and a dress and like you know you're like

Huh? Back then? Yeah. Damn. You know what I mean? Sounds like that show we went to in Amsterdam. The shushing. The shushing? The notorious shushing? What's that? We were at a show in Amsterdam about six weeks ago, and, like, I... I compared it to the Velvet Underground, and David vehemently disagreed. But the interaction lasted 15 seconds tops. And so I turned around and just went, sh... still stings to this day it still stings and we'll continue to i grew up in a similar very similar setting like suburbs outside london and i had like the exact same experience of like being a band through like, like you said, like your friend's brother, going to shows in places like, like concert, like the conservative club and all this kind of stuff. And it was like, did you ever listen to like any of the English bands? The only bands, I mean, I really loved like Enter Shikari. Of course. They're huge though. They cast a shadow. And like the Gallows. Okay. Gallows. Yeah. I've definitely seen them a few times. They got like a million pound. recording contract gallows and it was like just like a game changer and then they sold like four records what was it called like staring at the room right staring at the room i do i i had like a major moment yeah orchestra wolves go to the album i stand by that shit okay yeah i actually i saw them actually in a basement in new brunswick new jersey they they played like this basement show actually when they were already like pretty famous and they were like play this basement show. It was actually tight. It's quite funny because they all went to like the best school in the area that I lived in. It's very like Watford class. I don't know, maybe they're from. Weren't they from like... They're from Watford. Really? Oh shit. It makes me think like I think there was something to the fact that like if you're like a suburban kid now...

Going through the same thing, I think you'd be much more drawn to electronic music. And I think there was way more capacity for hardcore bands in the world. It just isn't now. Totally. I feel like their kind of media... Sorry for saying this word. Ecosystem. It's so fucking there. That you don't get with other kinds of music. Do you know that YouTube channel, TPDTV? Is it the one that films all the shows and puts them up? no they just they just go to like every festival in the uk or like around the world now but their kind of background is like kind of i guess more like pop punk but yeah but again i kind of like uh municipal like guitar music i think just has like such a strong kind of like no well not not not not wrong but it's i think both i mean i think that's all of it yeah like that's the thing is that like there's like this really cool like vibe right now where like i think the thing that's like something that i really find beautiful about music is like the democratic nature of it right like it's free it's a fucking mp3 it's whatever it's this like nothing essentially it's this like tiny fucking file but like everyone has this capacity where it's like doesn't matter where the fuck you are you can be in the middle of nowhere you can be like in your fucking backyard in ohio you can be in fucking new jersey you can be in california whatever like it's just these kids that are like you can upload your track and it's like i'm just like people find it it doesn't matter how many it doesn't matter whatever I'm like yeah sure some people it's like people find this track and like it blows up or whatever but I'm just like the reality is I'm like it's kind of like and I've been thinking about this now it's like funny because now it's been years of me thinking about this where I'm like it is kind of like a return to this like open freedom to just post whatever online with music and there's like this real kind of like breakdown of like this kind of like i mean being precious about it where it's kind of like anyone can do it like i didn't yeah i don't know but that's the thing you know what i mean it's just like it doesn't matter that's the thing is that i'm just like

I, like, I think that's the thing. It's funny because I'm, like, what makes me feel secure about it is just that, like, I'm, like, one, I'm just, like, everyone is just, like, whatever about their tracks, and I see people doing it. And, like, also just, like, I think when I realized my friends also felt, like, okay about just, like, doing it, I was, like, oh, yeah, they're just doing the same thing as me. And, like, when I was first, like... making tracks i was like i don't really want to send this to anyone except my friends because i'm just like this is just like not like a cool thing or doesn't sound like other people's music or like doesn't sound like what i think people are listening to or whatever but then i'm just like spending hours on soundcloud listening to people that have like one track on their page and it's the sickest shit i've ever fucking heard i will never die that i'm i'm sorry and i will die i will die people like proclaim to death so many so many so many times but it's such a like invaluable resource i mean yeah It's like, I think that's the funny thing. I'm like, I've made so many fucking friends on SoundCloud and like found so many people that I'm like, oh yeah, I feel like akin to you for like... I went to a SoundCloud wedding three weeks ago. Exactly, you know? Wait, wait, the people who got married met on SoundCloud? No, I met, I went there with people. Right, right. It was someone I met on SoundCloud got married and I went there with all people I first met on SoundCloud. Who's that? Carl, someone who used to work at Radar. And I went with like Mungo and... Does Mungo make music? This name is really familiar. Oh, shit. Shout out, Griff. Wow. I mean, it's like... It's funny because I'm just like... I feel like in my life, all of these online things or whatever have always... turned into or manifested like a lot of shit in my actual just like life or like my present life or something like that and like like i i mean yeah like tumblr like i don't know like i think my earliest connection to like any of like um like any of the like world that i live in is just kind of like i mean yeah i met shy on tumblr when i was like

whatever special guest dj yeah special guest dj when i was like 20 20 years old 19 years like knew him online yeah it was like i was seriously just like i mean it's funny because like all right so this was kind of the second iteration of this vibe where like when i was like 16 or 17 i had like a i had like a clothing line that was like just like straight edge New Jersey shit. And it would be like hearts with New Jersey and diamonds and like fucking AKs on the back and just like ridiculous, hardcore, just like, like sneaker head, like dunk, like SB dunk culture bullshit. And then like, by the time I was like 19 or 20, I was just like obsessed with like, By the time that, like, that point, I was just, like, finding, like, all this fashion shit and, like, all this, like, art shit and, like, just music. Like, I was, at the time, like, mostly into, like, noise music and, like, black metal and, like, finding all these weird connections between, like, a lot of the aesthetics and, like, shit that I loved about that with, like, shit like Comme des Garcons or, like... Yeah, like Jun Takahashi or like a lot of these designers in fashion and like all of these kinds of things in my life where like I was finding these threads or something like that. Was that kind of quite a clean aesthetic back then? Yeah, well, I think that's like the funniest thing is like now when I like think about it, I have like a lot of the images and shit that I was collecting at the time saved in some folders and I'm like... a lot of this aesthetic now feels so, like, basic to me or something. It's not like Black Street coffee aesthetic. Totally. It's kind of funny where I'm, like, it's really interesting where it's, like, for me at the time, it was, like, so new and so fresh. And, like, it's really interesting that, like, I think what's happened online is, like, I think just because of, like, the way that, like... I think at the time there was much more choice in what you were like taking in or something like that. Oh yeah. So true. Where it felt more special and like totally where you're like discovering shit, you know what I mean? And now it's kind of funny where I'm like, Oh yeah. Like this is just so like passe or like feels really whatever now. And like,

I think that's, like, the funny thing, but I'm also just, like, yeah, like, it's interesting to think that, like, I guess before, like, I had always been doing music shit, but, like, and playing in bands, or, like, I had also been playing violin, like, all of my, like, like, pretty much my life up until that point since I was, like, a kid, and, like, I guess it felt like all of a sudden I was, like, I don't know, maybe it's because I started doing psychedelics or just, like, whatever at the time, but, like, actually kind of realizing that i was like oh fuck like i was just like the world is actually lols and like you know like i don't know how else to say it but i'm just like i was you know like i was just like oh lol like reality you know like i don't know something shifted i feel like deep spiritual like yeah so you get you put down the fiddle after you took acid no i mean i still play i still play sometimes and like i'll use it but like i mean honestly like i think just like finding this actual convergence between this thing where like when i was growing up i was like okay i have this really like academic approach to music that was like really actually felt a bit imposed on me i think and like combining that with like this actual escape that i was finding from music and like realizing that i was like this skill and then the surrender of like this like completely lawless feeling was like actually what like i was looking for the whole time which was like this escape through flowing and like finding this feeling and like I think it's something I've actually been reflecting on a lot recently where I think about flow and escape and like all of these things where I'm realizing that like, that's like the big common thread that I find from like club music to hardcore music to like ambient music to all these things where I'm like, it's this flow that makes you escape, but the escape is really the present. It's now and like everything I'm like looking for and have been. And I'm like,

oh yeah like there's all these different avenues to get there but I'm just like I think for the first time when I was like in my early 20s actually finding a ton of new shit starting to like yeah experiment with psychedelics and then like also going to a bunch of different shows and parties and shit that I was like oh like this is bliss and this is like it the other thing is like so I remember like So, I mean, obviously, like, Psychedelics has this effect. And it's all obviously sort of, like, interpreted through the prism of your own kind of experiences. But I remember, like, one time, like, this is one of the earliest times I ever did, like, truffles, like, shrooms. And I was with a friend of mine who was, like, a huge metalhead. And for whatever reason, he, like, put on Pig Destroyer. And my initial, my knee-jerk instinct was to be like, yo, what the fuck? Why are you doing this? Yeah, why now? But he was like, bro, you got to find the drone. And it actually clicked. In a roundabout way, it clicked. I think that's just sort of analogous to what you're describing. Totally. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I don't know, maybe the diversion or the confusion is the necessity for discovering, I guess, what it is that's essential and important or something like that. And I think that's like... I think going through like all the different versions of yourself or all the different like iterations and like whatever, I think is like kind of the confusion you need to like get to the person or like get closer to the person that you think you are or imagine you are who you want to be so that like, yeah, you can exist in a state that feels natural and comfortable or something like that. Your 15-year-old demos are kind of giving a... I listened to them and the note I took was I Love Maconan. Oh, okay. What I really liked about his early stuff is it just had this sort of completely free-flowing... Sure, totally. But really melodic, really naturally musical. And there's sort of elements. It's structurally really raw. Totally. The way he delivers his vocals.

just a sort of, like, it just felt sort of, like, naturally and, like, natural and kind of, like, unbound. Sure. In a way that, like, the older you get, like, you have all these sort of, like, these frameworks, like, musical frameworks kind of impose on you. Totally. Especially if you're riding, like, because that stuff was, it was sort of, it was pop music. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, like, hard to tap into as an adult. It's funny because, like, I think that, like, that's, like, funny because, like, to me, something that's always been the most, like, hard or, like, difficult thing to reach out or, like, kind of, like, whatever like ephemeral thing that i could never touch is like pop or like always felt like that or something like that and like you do make pop music in like a like a really roundabout like yeah that's kind of like the thing is is that like to me it's something that i strive for maybe because it feels so distant from me like or distant from like what feels natural to what i want to make or something like that but like the reality is is that i'm like yeah like pop music is something that i've always like found so much like comfort in they're like it's something that's like always important and i'm like me and my friends i feel like when we send each other music it's always like pop tracks that we're like this is lit like i don't know like i just think about like sending like I was in an Uber one day and, like, fucking, like, Dua Lipa and Elton John came on. I hadn't heard that, like, track yet. And, like, I just sent it to, like, Rory. And I was like, oh, my God, girl. Who's Rory again? Rory is Pontiac Streeter. He's, like, one of my, yeah, he's one of my best friends. He lives in Philadelphia. Crazy tunes. Crazy tunes, beautiful music. One of the best DMV mixes of all. yeah slunty slunty is like yeah his dj vibe he's going by slunty for his uh dnb shit yeah um he's incredible and and like honestly hugely hugely inspiring for me over the past several years but like and also just one of the earliest people to ever like kind of support me but like

what I realized is, like, what we send each other is, yeah, just, like, random pop shit. And, like, I think about sending him, like, fucking Dua Lipa. And then it's, like, it'll be, like, randomly he was, like, oh, my God. Like, I just put on, like, the one-hour version and just cleaned my whole fucking apartment. And I'm just, like, I'm, like, yeah, like, that's, like, such a fucking vibe. So I'm just, like, I don't know. And, like, I mean. like thinking about like sampling and shit like that i'm just kind of like pop music is a treasure trove of like resampling shit that they're already fucking sampling and like i think it just like is also just part of like a larger like kind of eternal conversation of like what sampling is and just like where you can do that i mean yeah it's like that's it you know like it's it's like shout out folks yeah yo shout out that folk art you know like i mean it's just like this internal thing where i'm just like people have been interpolating and sampling music for so long and just like i think it's funny like i mean intellectual property is just like I don't even know. I'm not smart enough to speak on anything about it, but to me, it's just kind of an insane vibe. Or even property. By the way, help yourself. We're in Dom's house. While we're speaking of intellectual property, just straight up property, you know? Just take what you see fit. Owning fit is crazy. Yeah, you know? Yeah, take what you want, I guess. It's the steal plan. Steal it all, I guess. No, I don't. This sounds incredible. What the hell? Yeah, what the hell? Big what the hell. What's it called? I'll drop it in the podcast. I can't remember what it's called now, but I'll drop it in the end. What is he doing, man? I actually spoke to him recently about trying to do it. What, Maconan? Zini. Oh, Zini. Maconan has also kind of dropped off a little bit, sadly. I haven't seen it for fucking five years or some shit. Anyway.

Imagine a guy who's really good at music. Who? You would fuck with him for sure. I need new records. I feel like I'm like kind of like stuck in my like I don't really know. I honestly it's kind of funny. I felt like all this fall I'm like what's my fall vibe and then. I guess I haven't really discovered it, but I'm like, I guess now it's what's the winter vibe. That's how I ended up back on Yolotango. I mean, yeah. I think... I mean, the most autumn vibe. I think it's funny. Like, I feel like every year I do go so, like, indie in the fucking fall. And I guess, like... I think this year it was funny because, like, my indie this fall kind of ended up being, like, Smashing Pumpkins a lot. Smashing Pumpkins is, like, in, for sure. It's, like, such, like, it's funny, though, because, like, last year I was kind of obsessed, or, like, yeah, I guess 2022, actually. Yeah, I guess, well, that's last year now. 2022, yeah, I was just kind of obsessed with Adore. Like, I had this really funny Adore moment where, like, I kind of was just always like, you know, like, these beats are corny and, like, the production is whack. And, like, I just kind of didn't get it. And then, like, last year I realized how, like, sexy that record was. And, like, I kind of had, like, a big moment. But this year it's kind of funny because, like, now I'm on this, like, Siamese dream tip. And, like, I'm kind of just, like, loving that record because it's kind of, like, the beginning of when they were just kind of really fucking with, like, production with, like... making their shit more epic or something like that. They took it too far on Machina. There's a couple bangers on that, but they did take it too far on Machina. You dropped Smashing Pumpkins a couple weeks ago. Hell yeah. What track? I dropped 1979 at the club. Oh, I mean, yeah, totally. It's just, that and the music video are like the most perfect combination. Perfect. I mean, yeah, that shit always makes me feel so good. Like, I kind of have like a...

I have, like, a bunch of these, like, feel-good playlists or, like, videos that I'm, like, I feel like are always, like, afters vibes or, like, calm down vibes. You know, 1979. I also, like, my secret, like, afters banger is, like, do you know the band Len? No. Like, they, I mean, their most famous track is, like, Steal My Sunshine or whatever. but like they have this fucking track called like candy pop and like it's the track is just so like the fucking like i don't know it's kind of this like snowboard aesthetic combination of like this raver shoegaze kind of vibe like but the music video is like fucking perfect it's just like all of them chilling and like i don't know it's like kind of like wide angle just like bullshit them like slow-mo with this like crazy just like breakbeat kind of shoegaze track or whatever all those elements you're describing sound so good i feel like your shit is kind of like slow release candy pop okay yeah please i honestly i fucking i fucking I fucking hate, yeah, I'm using a bio that I hate, so please bless me. Oh my god, yeah, maybe it's time. Yeah, I was, I mean, yeah, sometimes you gotta use that shit. I don't know, I've never used it on my own. I'm more of a mid-journey bitch, honestly. I spend... What are you generating? What am I generating? Actually, like, there's, like, a really amazing... We have, like, a really amazing, like... discord group called mindful self-indulgence and it's like shout out msi yeah it's our mindful self-indulgence um channel and like yo you're just spewing out sick ass podcast times right now yeah well i mean i don't know that's a mindful self-indulgence is like a yeah it was first it was mindless self-indulgence this is like there's like a 3xl um

discord and like it's there's a there's a few like whatever channels in it but like yeah mindful self-indulgence it was mindless self-indulgence and shy switches on mindful self-indulgence more enlightened yeah it's the more enlightened version um but like there's not that many people in it that are mid-journeying but the mid-journeying and it gets kind of crazy i mean like it can get really existential but like it can mostly just be um bullshit I think is kind of the vibe you know sometimes it gets serious and we try and make beautiful things but I don't know mostly it's like I don't know it's a lot of our friend Sal who's like DJ Papaya they post they be imagining a lot and I'm also kind of obsessed with blends honestly more than imagining like I think the ultimate synergy is like imagining and then you screenshot like all four of them and then you like blend it with other things and then you get like a thousand like you keep going and you get like all these images and variations and they're like kind of trying to make memes or something like that in it and then you're like okay, like, I guess this is like a new humor that exists just because of this bullshit. I'm like, I don't know why this is funny, but I'm laughing. The new humor is a crazy premise. You just like unlocked a new spectrum of experience. Are you like an old head in terms of humor? Yeah, dude. I'm a slapstick stan. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These guys falling over banana peel style. Specifically Chinese guys. They're the best at falling over. About Chinese guys? Dude, yeah, about him being a slapstick stan. Dude, true. He fucking... Tom and Jerry kills me, man.

I have active fantasies about Tom getting his comeuppance. Tom Love. The scene where he goes to heaven is so sad. You know what? Part of me is curious, like I want to hear what that's about, but part of me feels like it's too heartbreaking to know. Well, where's Tom from Tom and Jerry Goes to Heaven? Does he get like roasted? Well, he goes to see St. Peter and he's like, Tom, you've spent your whole life, you know, troubling this mouse. You can't come in. He's like, you've got 24 hours to go make peace with Jerry, basically. What does Tom do? Well, this is not the sad part. Immediately, you know, immediately after he leaves. You then see like three drowned kittens go to heaven. And St. Peter's like, come on in, guys. Yeah, come on in. Yeah, yeah. So this 3XL Discord. Okay, yay. Is it just for the artists that circulate? Wait, do you guys... Wait, can I go pee real quick? Okay, I honestly... I made the mistake today. I never... No, I just... I never drink beer. And then today, I was just kind of like... Chilling at a pub and drinking beer. So I'm just kind of like saying about drinking beer. My bladder has become like pitiful We're on that we're on They do it all for the clouds always running them now, but they've never been about your a splash niggas y'all in and out 3, 2, 1 Beautiful. Yeah, Dan Bagdaro had a cool, like, iconic guitar there. Yeah, it was like a V, wasn't it? It's kind of almost like a star or something like that, right? What was that brand? As like a 12-year-old, I thought it was like the coolest shape. Is it like an ESP or like...